Bloodletting Friday Part 4: The Tony Martin Challenge

This is view of the top of the yard, out of my bedroom window, through yesterday evenings rain. Before anyone asks, the green box thingy is a 20 foot steel container where Boy runs his weapons programme the horse tack is stored. Tack has to be stored in alarmed secure buildings, rigged with trip wires motion sensitive floodlights because if you don’t store your kit like that, thieving pikies would half inch everything in a nanosecond.
Two Saturdays ago at about midnight, a quad bike came up the farm track turned round in front of the Dutch barn & sped off. Speaking to our local Peeler, he has advised me that it was probably a wrong’un on a reccy. So this morning’s I'd like to pose the following question ...
If it were you & tomorrow night at about midnight, the alarms & lights go off revealing two gypo’s trying to break into the tack room, what would you use to shoot them given that you have your Vickers MMG has been borrowed & is being put to good use outside the Palace of Westminster (see posts passim)
& just because I know that you like to know these things - the distance from the window to the far end of the Dutch barn in 32 yards.
Comments
A suppressed .22 rifle. Then a long wait to see if they have any buddies down the road. As they say in the US states about dealing with "re-introduced predators" "shoot, shovel, and shut up." My understanding it that are quite a few wolves, bears, and two-leggers have been back hoed into oblivion.
Posted by: toad | July 17, 2009 7:14 AM
Nice bit of tarmac you've got there Sir, Do want a bit more to finish the yard off? It just happens we've got a load going spare and I can send the boys round with it....
Posted by: The Englishman | July 17, 2009 7:47 AM
Thats not tarmac, that's a spreading blood stain from the dead pit!
Posted by: TimC | July 17, 2009 8:13 AM
"Nice bit of tarmac you've got there Sir, Do want a bit more to finish the yard off? It just happens we've got a load going spare and I can send the boys round with it....""
Which is almost word-for-word what the guy and his son who came by the house a few months ago said, only with a very plausible Irish accent.
32 yards? The suppressed .22 is a good choice, although I have this new M4gery I'm needing to break in.
Of course, there's the classic Garand.
Posted by: D.W. Drang | July 17, 2009 8:27 AM
Hmmm...why, my trusty 1916 SMLE. Or, perhaps, my M1938 Mosin-Nagant in 7.62x54R. The visible muzzle blast from the latter, at night, would either obliterate them or frighten them into the next county.
Posted by: Joseph | July 17, 2009 8:54 AM
Or...for low noise signature, a crossbow!!!
Posted by: Joseph | July 17, 2009 8:58 AM
If said MMG is unavailable and your trusty service revolver is also unavailable, the 1941 Home Guard Manual suggests a double barrelled shotgun.
Left Barrel with choke and No3 shot (No2 if available).
Right Barrel unchoked with Improvised Slug.
As the manual so eloquently puts it "At 25 yards this slug goes through a sheep's carcase, and is a certain man-killer at 50 and even 75 yards"
Posted by: Timtoo | July 17, 2009 9:06 AM
In the interests of being Bulldoggy and deadly, your 318 Westley-Richards, of course. Highly thought of by that John Taylor fellow. Too long in the colonies, of course, but a fine fellow all the same.
Failing that the .275 Rigby or the .505 Gibbs.
But maybe just a vermin rifle.
Posted by: msr7x57 | July 17, 2009 9:22 AM
I'm not a PWO but my training was shoot shoot look shoot so I'd go with an M4. My other option is an M2 with a flash suppressor.
Posted by: Curtis | July 17, 2009 9:46 AM
Improvised Claymore wired to the security lights.
lights on....boom....lights off. The foxes will clean up whilst you sleep.
Posted by: MovingRight | July 17, 2009 10:00 AM
@MovingRight
There's not a fox within artillery range of Mr Fm's place he's annihilated them already.
I'd put a stand-alone PIR device just inside the door attached to something explosive.
Posted by: nbc | July 17, 2009 10:14 AM
I like Toad's suggestion of a suppressed .22 and a spade.
By keeping the noise down, you're surely increasing your chances of bagging a whole family of pikies - think of the saving to the tax payer.
Posted by: Matthew | July 17, 2009 11:10 AM
On second thoughts, maybe a De Lisle carbine. A bit more whack than a .22.
Posted by: Matthew | July 17, 2009 11:12 AM
I'd go along with Toad's suggestion of a suppressed .22, or even better a De Lisle, and a spade. Keep the noise down and you might bag a whole family of pikies. Think of the savings to the tax payer.
Posted by: Matthew | July 17, 2009 11:42 AM
M79 loaded with WP shells. Let them burn
Posted by: klu01dbt | July 17, 2009 1:05 PM
Why not be sporting and try to take the interlopers with a small caliber handgun? Maybe even a warning shot overhead before capping them as they scatter . . .
Posted by: Mike | July 17, 2009 2:20 PM
Whatever you shoot the bastards with, make it something you can do without, because it's going to be confiscated, never to be seen again.
No matter how sympathetic the rozzers are now, their attitude post facto is going to change.
Posted by: Kim du Toit | July 17, 2009 2:41 PM
Suggest you fit alarm mines on trip wires loud scary and legal.
Watch them run
Ghost
Posted by: Ghostrifle | July 17, 2009 2:58 PM
Add a second vote for the 12 ga slug. My Beretta 301 A with the plug removed. Maybe OO Buck every other shell. Hmmmm- I'll have to think about that.
This is so wonderfully non PC
Posted by: dr kill | July 17, 2009 3:12 PM
Not sure if I'd use a shotgun over a rifle unless at very close quarters -remember both p****s T.M. shot whilst burgling his house managed to escape, although (only) one later died. I guess hanging the corpses upside down on your gate, as you would to scare off more 4 legged rats a no-no with the local Police?
Posted by: Ed | July 17, 2009 3:17 PM
Suppressed Uzi or 9mm AR carbine with same device attached.
Posted by: Hughjimbissel | July 17, 2009 3:33 PM
My Remington 870 12 bore pump. the first 2 rounds are 00 buck followed by pumpkinball. My shovel is in the garage.
Advance;fire;advance;fire;advance.....
Posted by: Gunner Harris | July 17, 2009 4:26 PM
M79 loaded with WP shells. Let them burn.
Posted by: klu01dbt | July 17, 2009 5:04 PM
Toad has it right. Just because you have to eliminate some neer do wells at 2:00 AM there is no need to wake half the county. Silence is golden. If there is a pig farm near by, hogs will eat many many things. (See 'Unintended Consequences' by John Ross.) In a bit more serious vein, what I could do on my side of the pond, is far different from on yours. In my part of Louisiana, shooting criminals would probably get a "nice shot" comment from the Sheriff's deputies. The reaction from the 'peelers' would not be as reasonable. You probably would be better off making them POWs.
Posted by: walt | July 17, 2009 5:06 PM
Kim: you assume that he'll talk to some kind of authority afterward.
I suggest 12 gauge slug, a shovel, burlap, and quicklime.
If you talk to the cops afterward, they will take ALL of your firearms, and then arrest you.
If the cops find out about it and come for you anyway, claim you were robbing them and they scared you by attempting self-defense.
Posted by: Kristopher | July 17, 2009 5:14 PM
Walt - What part of Louisiana? My oldest son is off to Tulane in just about a month. Fortunately for him, he's been raised to mind his manners.
Posted by: Bomber Harris | July 17, 2009 7:10 PM
I suggest a nice flamethrower. The pikeys will likely be smerkin' a tab anyway, and wouldn't it be so very unfortunate if they clumsily managed to spill something flammable on themselves? Perhaps douse them in diesel and set them on fire with one of those excellent propane-powered weed torches?
Then, as they stagger, aflame and screaming in agony, back down the drive, it will - perhaps - encourager les autres, no? Mr. FM could even call 999 in "terror" at the self-immolating going on outside (after he's made sure there won't be any loose lips, of course).
Posted by: Kevin K | July 17, 2009 7:25 PM
Bomber. I am up near Shreveport. Far north west Louisiana.
Posted by: walt | July 17, 2009 9:34 PM
Are the .22 rounds hollow points?
Posted by: Cricket | July 17, 2009 9:37 PM
Walt - Why you're almost a Texan. I bet that where you live, those deputies would help you load the pickup for the trip to the hog farm just as long as it wasn't someone local.
Posted by: Bomber H | July 17, 2009 9:43 PM
Bomber, at the entry or two down with the front view of a Vickers there are links 'here, here, and here'. The first 'here' take you to a picture of my Vickers being shot by a friend's niece. That range is owned by one of the Deputy Sheriff's....
Posted by: walt | July 17, 2009 9:54 PM
Use whatever you like because [whisper it] they shouldn't be there . .
Posted by: Sal Rossi | July 17, 2009 9:58 PM
Wait until they are in the box and lock it, cover it with a tarp and lots of straw bales then go visit Kim for a few weeks, get some ex sas to guard your home
Posted by: chris Edwards | July 17, 2009 11:25 PM
put Mrs FM in the green box - tell her to yell RAPE - then she can shoot them in self defence and place some non registered firearm in said pikie's hand ....
still like shoot shovel option
especially as £30K plus of tack nicked in April from my stables
Posted by: captain cobra | July 18, 2009 12:35 AM
32 yards? As silence is golden, I'd fancy my chances at achieving 'minute of pikey' with my target longbow.......
Posted by: Bryn | July 18, 2009 1:36 AM
Tiger pit with punji stakes(don't forget to dip the latter in excrement before placing)
Posted by: stuart | July 18, 2009 1:57 AM
I'll have to go with a ruger mini 14 in 7.62x39 fitted with a silencer. I believe the mini 14 will accept 30 round magazines if you can source "pre-clinton gun ban" gear. You ought to be able to polish off the whole clan without requiring reloading.
interesting trivia I have been assured about is the 7.62 ruskis are .311 nominal, same as the .303, but the 7.62x39 chambered rugers use .308 bore barrels off the .308/.30-06 family barrel manufacturing line. The action is strong enough to handle the extra pressure of squeezing an oversize bullet down the barrel.
Posted by: Rhys | July 18, 2009 4:14 AM
The No.4 as issued does every job required out of doors. Indoors I'd probably reach for the Remington 870: Ten rounds of SG will settle most arguments I reckon.
If they come into an occupied house they mean to harm you in pursuit of their goal.
I'd sooner be tried by twelve than carried by six.
Posted by: EX_STAB | July 18, 2009 6:49 PM
Make them 'disappear', then, just deny everything.
Posted by: Gasky | July 18, 2009 8:50 PM
76mm L23: Canister, not noisy at all.
Cheers
Posted by: J.M. Heinrichs | July 19, 2009 5:03 AM
To shoot rooks, what else but a Rook rifle??...
Posted by: emdfl | July 20, 2009 4:22 PM
do the commando get ze U/O 12 bore with the rock salt shells be sneaky get within a yard of the pikey vermin and teach him the meaning of respect
Posted by: brad | July 21, 2009 6:45 AM